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Robert Grant
05-04-2008, 02:39 PM
Not having heard any reviews or comments about the Sansonic FT-300A CECB, and with the expiration date on my NTIA coupons approaching, I used my last coupon on the Sansonic box.

As mentioned before, the Sansonic is a compact unit, smaller in every dimension than the Zenith. It is very close in size and shape to the familiar VHS videocassette.

Part of this compactness is achieved by leaving the AC power supply out of the unit, and supplying a 5VDC, 1.4A power supply ("wall rat") with the unit. The fact that the box has a 5VDC input jack got my interest, as it would seem possible to run the FT-300A on batteries for portable use.


In fact, I have powered the FT-300A on a battery of four AA NiMH cells (DO NOT USE ALKALINE - OVERVOLT RISK!), The plug that connects with the power jack on the FT-300A is commercially available as the Radio Shack 274-1532. Battery life will be quite short, and the batteries MUST be fresh, for as the voltage drops, the tuner section is not supported, and the box, though showing graphics, and allowing the change of channels, displays "NO SIGNAL!" regardless of RF input. About 850mA is drawn when receiving a 480i program, or in the absence of any signal. If a program transmitted in HD tuned in, current increases to about 910 mA. You will NEED to disconnect the battery when not using the box, because about 90mA is still drawn when the converter is in sleep ("off").


The control features are where the Sansonic falls short. The channel scan is slower than the Philco and much slower than the Zenith. Numerical (random access) and normal UP/DOWN tuning is only by virtual channel. Inputting an actual RF channel number results in "no such channel", even if that station is in memory. Any station seen is committed to memory, and can only be erased with a fresh channel scan (all channels are deleted and rescanned, a la RCA ATSC-11). This would have seemed to make it impossible to receive every station in any given area, unless they all could be received with one antenna in one position (in other words, a rotator would be useless). For example, I thought it would be impossible to watch WBGU (SSW of me) on this box, unless I sacrificed all Detroit stations (NNE of me), for no channel scan could put both into the memory.


Just when I was about to condemn the FT-300A as useless for DX and useful only for viewers for which all avalable signals were from a common source (e.g., Mt Wilson or the CN tower), I found that there IS a protocol for tuning by ACTUAL RF CHANNEL. It is the "ANT LEVEL" button on the remote, which displays the signal strength and "signal quality" (I am curious what the "signal quality" bar measures), Both meters respond very slowly. While in this mode, you DO have the actual channel displayed (and the frequency, in MHz at the CENTER of the channel!) Now you can tune up and down, using the remote, every actual RF channel. The memory will automatically save any station that it can get a PSIP from. In my case, I can do the scan at NNE (toward Detroit,it will also pick up Toledos at that setting), then turn to SSW (toward the WBGU transmitter), and use "ANT LEVEL" to manually tune to 56, where it will grab and save WBGU.


The control system lacks many of the comfort features of the Zenith and the Philco, such as last channel (AKA channel back, recall), and the "EZ Add" feature on the Zenith (scan for more channels without deleting existing ones, extremely useful, especially on transition day.)


There is no "program guide". In fact, the only program info displayed is the title of the program currently being viewed, along with the virtual channel, the call sign, the time (in 24-hour format only!), along with the language, the picture format of the program, whether the program is closed captioned, and the TV/MPAA Rating. Showing the format is a curiosity, as whatever goes into this box comes out as composite NTSC.


Build is very much like the Zenith (only smaller), black metal box with plenty of ventilation, solid feel, appearance of fine quality.
As one can see below, the Sansonic certainly qualifies as a multipath-tolerant CECB, and with sensitivity similar to the Philco and perhaps the Zenith. It provides a good picture (in RF or in "red/yel/whi" output) and good sound. It IS useful for DXing provided the user has knowledge of the "ANT LEVEL" mode that allows for actual channel tuning.


Like the Philco, the Sansonic is truly remote-dependent. There is one button on the box, which turns the unit on of "off" (actually sleep).


If it had been introuced only a few years ago, the Sansonic FT-300A would have been regarded as a fantastic innovation. For the regular consumer, however, if you don't mind the larger size, and having to plug it into an AC outlet, the Zenith, with its front panel buttons (in case the remote is misplaced), and superior operational features (especially channel mapping) has my recommendation.


Rob, N8NU.


Sansonic FT-300A vs. Sylvania 6427GFF
SENSITIVITY MULTIPATH
5 SANSONIC 3* 17 SANSONIC 5
14 SANSONIC 1 19 SANSONIC 5
45 SANSONIC 1 29 SANSONIC 5
58 SANSONIC 2 49 SANSONIC 3

Sansonic FT-300A vs Philco TB100HH9
SENSITIVITY .............. MULTIPATH
5 INCONCLUSIVE* .............. 17 EQUAL
14 PHILCO 1 .............. 19 EQUAL
45 SANSONIC 1 ............... 29 EQUAL
58 PHILCO 1 .............. 49 EQUAL

Neither the Sansonic NOR the Philco could be forced into failure due to multipath (by turning the antenna) with ANY of the UHF DTV transmitters in the Oregon, OH (Toledo) tower area.

The old RCA boxes and the Zenith DTT900 were not tested directly against the Sansonic (suffice to say the Sansonic performs very much like the Zenith, and the older RCA boxes are just a tiny bit inferior to the Sylvania DTV set).

* Interestingly, the Sansonic has the same problem with WLMB-DT 5 as the Philco and Zenith boxes. Regardless of signal quality, there are "burps" (short losses of reception) at irregular intervals, regardless of signal quality. These "burps" happen at the same time when two CECBs operate simultaneously, but do NOT happen on the Sylvania DTV nor the older RCA HDTV boxes. I have no way of knowing whether this a problem with the newer boxes, or if there is a "non-standard" way WLMB-DT is encoding it's ATSC signal, which, for some reason, is not bothering the older receivers. (WLMB-DT is a single program, converted from the analog, and it's picture quality is inferior to that of WLMB-TV 40 in analog).


In the channel 5 sensitity test, the "winner" could be changed by the placement of the boxes and the cables. Apparently, when the lowband signal is attenuated to the threshold of reception, RFI from all the electronics in the room is too strong for the test to work.


One interesting observation was made in the sensitivity tests- the Sansonic seems to have two "modes" for decoding signals. Usually, the Sansonic box output was "in harmony" with the Philco or the Sylvania. Sometimes, however, when the signal was very weak, there would be a delay (about 300ms) in the Sansonic output relative to the other, which would persist after the signal strength was restored. Entering the same channel again would restore synchronicity.

ghale
05-06-2008, 03:55 PM
Thanks for this review. I was thinking of getting one of these or some of the clones out there.

JD4x4
05-07-2008, 04:12 PM
Thanks for your evaluations, Robert. They and the others here are really helping this newb get a handle on how to spend my newly-acquired coupons! I already have 2 inexpensive over-air HDTVs (a 32" Envision & a 23" Sceptre) and notice a difference in reception quality between the two (same antenna w/a splitter). Maybe it's a moot point with the govt CECB min. specs, but multipath is an issue for me so I'm being cautious about which CBs I select.

I can roughly follow your evaluation scale, but would you and some of the others consider giving another more generally comparative rating addition to your evals? I know all of this is very subjective, but I'd be interested in knowing how you consider, for example, multipath rejection & sensitivity performance in relation to what you consider average (acceptable reception) so far. Like possibly Bad, Below Avg, Average, Above Avg, and Excellent? Not really a deep analysis, but rather an off-the top-of-your-head,-at-the-end-of-the-day sort of judgement?

Regardless, thanks to all of you that post your evals!

Robert Grant
06-28-2008, 03:19 PM
(Disclaimer note: No predictions can be made of the true quality of any new CECB, since there is no way to predict variables affecting quality control and choice of materials inside sealed components. In other words, I cannot predict what percentage of any product may not work, nor how long any particular product could be expected to last. This goes for all makes and models. This information is mainly to give some idea of a DXer's ability to make use of a product).


Not really a reply - rather an update:

When using the Sansonic FT300A for portable use, with four AA NiMH batteries, it has come to my attention that as the battery voltage drops, the multipath-tolerance of the unit is severely affected, such that long before the batteries become weak enough that the sensitivity suffers, a virtually multipath-free signal is necessary to receive picture and sound unless the NiMH batteries are newly fresh.

PLEASE do not consider this to be any sort of "flaw" in this product - the manufacturer never intended for this product to be used with batteries.

Perhaps one should use a battery with more that 5.0 V in conjunction with a 5.0 V voltage regulator to assure a full supply for better operation of this box with batteries.

Four alkaline batteries (6.0+ volts when fresh) just MIGHT power the unit, but I won't try this overvolt myself. I'm not rich enough to submit a $ 50 box to potentially destructive testing.

Rob, N8NU

Beanplum
07-25-2008, 05:23 PM
First you need to understand that each broadcaster is usually assigned one physical channel. With this they can then support up to four virtual channels. One example: In my location physical channel 47 is assigned to the main PBS station and they're supporting four virtual channels, 11-1, 11-2, 11-3, and 11-4. With my method of "re-selection" you can choose physical channels, but you have to accept the virtual channels that are part of them. I've found no way to selectively choose among virtual channels.

After using the auto-scan method to store all of the channels that your antenna can pull in, view each physical station (or just one of each virtual channel set) at full screen view (not in menu view). Press the Antenna Level button on the remote (Ant Level) for each of the channels that you wish to view regularly. Note down on paper the channel number that is shown at the top of the antenna level reading window for each of those channels. Put all the channel numbers in numerical order. Now you are ready to make your "re-selections."

1) Unplug or unscrew the antenna connector from the Antenna IN connector on the back of the Sansonic box. The converter box can be on or off when this is done.
2) With the Sansonic box and connected TV both turned on, press the Channel Scan (CH Scan) button on the remote control. The "Easy Install" window will appear on your TV screen.
3) The Auto Scan selection is highlighted by default. If not, use the CH+ or CH– buttons on the remote to highlight that choice. Press the OK button to begin the automatic scan process. Allow this process to be 100% complete. This will erase all of the channels that the box tuned in when you set it up originally. You will be left with a clean slate -- no channels at all. The message left on your screen will read, "No Signal."
4) Plug or screw back in the antenna connector to your Sansonic back panel.
5) With your list of desired physical channel numbers handy, you will now repeat steps 2 and 3, but be prepared to quickly unplug or unscrew the antenna connector again after the first channel has been stored. You will know this, when the number "1" displays at the bottom of the scan progress window. Again, allow the scan process to run to 100% without the antenna connected. You will now have just the single channel stored in your Sansonic box.
6) Plug or screw back in the antenna connector to your Sansonic back panel.
7) With your remote, tune in the one channel stored and view it full screen. Press the Antenna Level button on the remote.
8) With your list of desired physical channel numbers handy, press the CH+ (or "Up") button on the remote to move through the channels to select each of the channel numbers remaining on the list.
9) Stop at the next desired physical channel on your list. Press the Antenna Level button to dismiss that process. Press the OK button to view your channels menu to verify that the new virtual channels have been added.
10) Repeat steps 7, 8, & 9 until all of your desired physical channels have been added to the Sansonic. These are now stored for your regular tuning. Those channels that you did not put on your list have effectively been "de-selected." Even if the Sansonic is turned off, unplugged, or if you should suffer a power outtage, these channel selections will not be lost. The only way to wipe out these choices now, would be to perform another complete Auto Scan process.

Since many users may never come upon this forum, I've passed on the above instructions to Mr. Michael Young, Sansonic's Service Manager in Consumer Sales and Support at their El Monte, California offices. You can share with him your feelings about the FT-300A at michael@sansonic.net.

Beanplum
07-28-2008, 01:05 PM
Having just run this again to "de-select" another channel, You can modify the above instructions to drop steps 5 and 6. The process works quite well without the need to first set up a single "starter" channel.